Well, to begin with, Screw Strollers….
Posted by happycrow on February 28, 2009
On behalf of the military establishment, I would like to say “OH HELL YEAH BABY!!!!!”
Blackpine, remember that discussion we had about whether or not Glitter Boys were ever going to exist? True this is no Glitter Boy, but OMG this is one big step for mankind in terms of Robotic Exo-skels. PA is looking more and more feasable every day.
To paraphase a nameless Marine and then a MI Trooper “Let’s Go you Apes” and follow this path of development.
One of these days I’ll have to get my boss to send me to CWID. Apparently they have live demos at the show. 🙂
Just need the little Casimir-effect power supply, and you’ll have your Glitterboy, Mike.
Well, we need a railgun too. But I will settle for a 20mm cannon to start and we can upgrade.
“Every man a cannoneer.”
I was thinking that if you used fuel cells instead of batteries you could even use the power supply to properly handle a M214 or M176 Gatling gun with this suit. The backpack would be all ammo to handle the massive rates of fire.
Gats are overrated. A nice 20mm chain gun type weapon does the job just fine and you can play with the ammo load. Or a grenade launcher. A Mark 19 would be nice with this. Or a modified Barret .50 cal. A bullet hose is okay, but we are going for more rapid acquire and engage stuff rather than hose down the area no a days. One shot or burst works much better than just spraying everything down. And exo-skel aside, you would still burn through ammo way to fast for this to be practical.
Man, think of all the beer that thing could carry….
True, but we can’t have any of that in a combat zone anymore. Depressing isn’t it?
You this thing keeps bringing up something that we need to work on. We really need someone to make some breakthroughs on battery technology. More juice, longer juice and smaller containers. Haven’t gotten that yet and we need it.
Power sources will be coming… I can’t freaking wait for the civilian applications, either.
Hmmm…well assuming this unit can handle the recoil and the weight, then yes, a Mk19 or a 20/25mm chain gun would be more appropriate. Or a man-portable recoilless rifle maybe?
As for the batteries lots of people are working on it, including quite a bit here where I work a few labs over from mine. However some problems keep popping up:
1) Energy density – hard to cram so much into a small container without it explosively short circuiting over time. Both metal hydride or lithium ion both have major problems with this.
2) Long term recharge-ability. If you can find a way to pack in all that energy density without it shorting out, it tends not be able to be recharged that many times before the metals migrate in the battery and you start to loose charge over time.
This is why I think fuel cells will be a better choice. As long as your electrode setup stays clean (which is getting easier and easier to do) all you have to do is keep putting fuel into it. With fuels being ethanol or methanol you can potentially make the fuel in the field with stills or fermented waste. From what I’ve read there have been more fuel cell breakthroughs than battery breakthroughs lately.
Well that works for me. I like the idea of being able to brew your own fuel on the campaign trail anyway. Leaves more room for ammo and medical supplies. And of course any still that can make alcohol for your exo-skel can probably be modified to make a nice morale pick me up for the grunts too.
I like the idea of being able to generate fuel in the fuel as well, and if some of the ideas I’m seeing come to fruition in the next 10-20 years you may see your fuel grown at the base in the form of large algae farms.
The still is yes, a good morale booster, but given your comment about no beer allowed in the field I wonder how they’ll control that. Is the no beer rule strictly due to the local sensitivities about alcohol or is that a ham-fisted response to soldiers drinking too much?
Neither. Its a left over from the Puritain do gooders of New England. No I am not kidding. These are the same folks that forced the Navy to abolish the Rum Ration. I’ll let you in on a little secret. In Iraq, the only folks NOT drinking were Americans. Every Ally, and just about every damn Iraqi, drank. We had a liquor store 3 blocks away from our North Gate where you could get all kinds of scotch and whiskey and some local beer. Of limits as all hell of course and they even monitored Blue Force Trackers to make sure no US vehicles stopped in the area for too long. That whole Islam being sober thing is a big PR stunt. If they were hard core non-drinkers, that tended to mean they were AQ. And of course, lots of the younger soldiers were under 21 so of course were not legal to drink.
You are old enough to vote, get drafted, volunteer for war, go to war and even kill someone in war. But have a beer? Oh no we can’t have that, it is a bad thing that we can’t allow young folks to do since they don’t really know anything.
Yeah, I am one of the all or none crowd on this one. If you can vote and join the military then we can damn well trust you with a beer. If we can’t trust you with a beer, you shouldn’t be voting or joining the army/navy/marines (air force is really for kids anyway). Yeah, we might have the alcoholic or the bing drinker, but what’s wrong with kicking back with a beer after a long hot day of patrolling Anbar? Hell, that deserves a beer more than any excuse I have ever heard in any Stateside bar.
Well, there ARE the guys who run into burning buildings while other people are running out of them….but I think the point is moot — BEER!
Mike…I’m stunned by the reason. That has to be one of the most asinine reasons I’ve heard for the ban. But what is surprising is that it has propagated for that long in the military, and is actually being enforced. One wonders if the upper brass have other equally stupid reasons for upholding the ban.
Thank you for the additional insight about the local situation in Iraq – I learn something every day which I didn’t know before.
Thanks. The one thing that I have learned in my Army time is that if you want to see an actual Federal/Government organization that actually follows every rule and law passed down visit your local army/air force/navy/mc base. We focus so much on actually obeying every law passed about anything it would blow your mind. Ever since the Civil War the armed forces have been subjected to stricter and stricter rules on what they can and can’t do in regards to “fun”. Every Officer Club in the army went out of business because they abolished the “two drink lunch” (you were allowed two drinks, usually considered beer during lunch since you had about 2 hours for lunch, so you would be legally sober and operational) in the 80’s. The overseas liquor restrictions came about because of this a combined with the fact that these left over Puritains are mostly New Englanders (and some Deep South Bapitist types) who don’t like the army and see them as people who really need to be “saved” (although that has evolved from saving the soul to saving them period from the military industrial complex).
All this leads to troops getting into trouble for buying illegal alcohol (usually from contractors or trusted locals), or bing-drinking because they just can’t get any and then when they do they go nuts. ANd then usally more punishment because they are underage.
We could track parties in Tikrit on a Thursday night (Firday is the holy day) by the celebratory gunfire on our accoustic sensors and I could show you were every club and liquor store was on the map from that. Town of 20000 give or take, 5 liquor stores and around 4 clubs that served drinks. All indoors and out of the public eye so no one really got publically drunk.
You said it Russ – “BEER!”
I see it as a responsiblity issue. If you could have two drinks in the 80’s and not have an issue then good deal. If you screwed up, you got hammered. But they used the screw-ups to ruin it for everyone. Since one guy can jack it up, we have to save everyone.
Wether they need it (or want it) or not.
And with HULC, you can carry “two beers” for an AWFUL lot of people. Keep it refrigerated in the process, too!
Vehicle optics and a light 50 shoulder mounted. Shoot through walls, carry 50 or rounds, one Bullet boy suit to carry reloads.
I do have a questions though? Does HULC smash?
Now, even though you can’t see my face, you know I’m smirking.
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